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Since after my cashout i'm trying to get my roll back to a 2-4/3-6 NL Roll i'm beginning at the lower limits again. I
want to know your opinions regarding shoving/calling ak for an preflop allin on the 0,05-0,1 cash games. (6-MAX)

situation 1: Online cash game
Me: playing a lot of hands as intentional raiser (almost none as caller) picking up a lot of pots with c-betting/second/third barreling when scarecards come up. I think the table sees me as a bully.

opponent: 0,05-0,1 player, not very bad, isn't opening a lot of hands, but puts in a 3bets quite a lot if there is a Button/Cut off opening.

I raise from cutoff to 0,40. he reraises to 1,2 from the Big blind. now what? do players here stack with aq or less? or is it better just to call and see a flop?

Situation 2:
Me: playing a lot of hands as intentional raiser (almost none as caller) picking up a lot of pots with c-betting/second/third barreling when scarecards come up. I think the table sees me as a bully. I've been 3betting a lot in position.

opponent: 0,05-0,1 player, not very bad, is opening a decent amount of hands. (range something like 22+ Ax any 2 facecards and some Suited and offsuit connectors) I've 3bet him about 5 times, he folded everytime.

He raises from MP to 0,40, i reraise from the button to 1,1, he shoves all in. What is the average 0,05-0,1 players range here? and important call or fold?

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from what i've seen they move all in KK+ and AK, the more aggressive players add QQ and sometimes JJ to this list. I havent seen anyone pushing with AQ or TT. (unless on tilt)

Their calling range seems somewhat strange, they call with more hands then they shove?? pretty most everyone calls QQ+ and AK, sometimes even TT+ and AK.

I also think that you can manipulate peoples shoving/calling range to your advantage, because a lot of 0,05-0,1 players (or micro/lowstakes players in general) have a different calling/shoving range themselves, but don't see a real difference between the 2 when playing an opponent.

Now what is the correct strategy to play against this? any suggestions? I will put down 2 strategies below:

NOTE: Below are 2 strategies, one that i've used on 2-4 and 3-6 and the one that i use now on 0,05-0,1. they are not specific guidelines or something like that. the first approach will lead to a high variance game, but i don't know if its usefull at 0,05-0,1

Please comment if you don't agree or find mistakes in my calculations or whatsoever.
NOTE 2: i only use the first strategy against opponents of whom i suspect use a program like poker tracker, because they often don't take notes AND of whom i suspect are thinking. It's a useless strategy against fish.

example here is the strategy i used at 2-4 and 3/6 THEORATICAL APPLIED TO A 0,05-0,1 game.

now at the start of a session i'm calling preflop allins only with KK+ because since they won't move all in QQ, AK becomes pretty worthless.
(at 2-4 and 3-6 this is not the case and a standard shoving range is JJ+,AK and more if you are aggressive or up against an aggressive opponent)

more interesting is my shoving range.
NOTE 4: Example is 100BB deep and rake calculations are based on Pokerstars rake.
if an aggressive player 3bets me (he 3bets a decent amount, for stat based people, about 8%) and i know he calls allins with JJ+ and AK, i shove QQ+, AK and AQs reason: with this shoving range i have an equity advantage of 0.6%.
With a 3bet% of 8 he has to fold a lot of hands against my 4bet. (JJ+ and AK is 3% his range, since he 3bets 8% he will fold 5/8 of the time, meaning he will fold 62,5% and call 37,5%.

now if i play 100 hands preflop all-in what does it give me?

62,5 times he folds and i take his 3bet (usually 1,2$)
that's 75$!
the other 37,5 times i will make 0,12$ per hand is 4,5$
Don't forget the rake that is 1$ for a 20$ pot, we will win a 20$ pot 37,5*0,506= about 19% of the time(18,975) so we pay 19$ rake.
making a total of 79,5 - 19 = 60,5$ in 100 hands with this shoving range.

BUT more importantly i give a false image to the other thinking players at the table (and remember, this is 0,05-0,1, I think the players have a wider calling than shoving range): because other players who are tighter and 3bet less than opponent in the above example (3-6% for Program users) see me shoving AQ they will start to shove and call QQ and JJ as well against me, assuming that i will call allins with JJ+ and AQ+. because they have seen me move all in aq against an agressive player, they think i do that against everyone, so they have a false image of my shoving/calling range against them.

What does this mean for my calling range:
i can either loosen up my calling range to QQ+/AK and have a 53% equity advantage against their range(does mean more variance) or stick with my original calling range of KK+ and have an 73% equity advantage.
Based on this you would say ofcourse we'll stick with our original calling range but 53 % equity with me having a calling range of 2,6% is closer to 73% equity with me having a 0.9% calling range than it seems. Also it helps to keep your image, because you will be allin preflop more often.
(if someone reading this wants to try this: if you don't like variance just stick with your original calling range of KK+ and let them play inferior hands against you)

What does this mean for my shoving range:
Not very much, because people expect you to shove a (for 0.05-0,1) pretty wide range of hands, you just shove with qq+ and AK and have an equity advantage of 52,9% to a calling range of JJ+ and AK and are still collecting a a lot of money because of the folding to your shove.

The big question of this whole story is:

Will my image make enough money for me to make this the max EV play? since this is the first time that i make this calculation I really don't know this, have to try and find out.

It has to make more money than only shoving KK+ to a 3bet and taking you back to the example, that is:

75 of the folding (he still folds everything excepts JJ+ and AK
37,5 times i will make (20*0.73)-10= 4,6 per hand.
the rake is still 1$ for a 20$ pot.
The rake will be: 37,5*0,73= about 27$ (27,375)
making a total of 75+(4,6*37,5)-27=220,50$ per 100 preflop allins

as 60,50$ per 100 allins on the other strategy, I have to make 160 purely based on image to use this strategy, that really is a lot, and i don't think i can make it, because players don't think as much as in the 2-4/3-6 games and won't notice the image u are trying to build, so you are just leveling yourself.

I now use the second strategy of only moving in with KK+ preflop, and i think it works pretty well.

Does anyone have a better strategy or is there a mistake in this one? Please comment so we can start a discussion.

Jeffrey

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[G_Money77]

Great points all around I believe. At the low limits, I don't worry about my image too much because of the size of the player pool and the fact that most of them don't pay enough attention to pick up on your image anyways unless you are a major bully/calling station.

I think your strategies are sound and for the most part I totally agree with your second strategy. I personally do sometimes shove with AK, but only when the situation seems fishy or something seems to be up (shove maybe 10% of the time or less with AK). I think your math worked and I liked you reasoning. great set of posts!
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G_Money77

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That's indeed the strategy i use now. If you get higher and higher in stakes, the player pool gets smaller, and strategy one has more and more advantages. at 2-4 and 3-6 i think it was a good strategy, with a large group of players there, i played between 10 and 15k hands a month. so image became more and more important.